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Two lessons of the Zimmerman case - Общество дровосеков Бердичева по изучению Мишны

Jul. 13th, 2013

11:33 pm - Two lessons of the Zimmerman case

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1. To urban, suburban and rural youths: If your words or actions make someone fear for their life, don't be surprised when you're mortally wounded.

2. To friends, relatives and groupies of said youths of any age or skin color: Fear is the easiest emotion to sympathize with.

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From:grey_horse
Date:July 14th, 2013 09:11 am (UTC)
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Good point!
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From:b0p0h0k
Date:July 14th, 2013 11:25 am (UTC)
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... life and/or property ...
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From:spamsink
Date:July 14th, 2013 03:49 pm (UTC)
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Theoretically, yes, but it doesn't come out of the case in question.
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From:b0p0h0k
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:32 pm (UTC)
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Ну да! А с чего есть пошла альтеркацiя-то вся?
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From:spamsink
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:35 pm (UTC)
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Ах, ты в этом смысле! В отношении имущества imminent danger не было.
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From:b0p0h0k
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:46 pm (UTC)
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Ты меня с Димочкой перепутал.
Я вообще-то с твоей формулой вполне согласен с учетом моей поправки.
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From:dvv
Date:July 14th, 2013 11:57 am (UTC)
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Words don't break bones noses.
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From:spamsink
Date:July 14th, 2013 03:48 pm (UTC)
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That's not required for the finding of justified self-defense.
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From:dvv
Date:July 14th, 2013 05:46 pm (UTC)
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What is required is "a reasonable [emph. mine. dvv] fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm". Just talking trash hardly qualifies as a good reason for that.

Edited at 2013-07-14 05:47 pm (UTC)
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From:spamsink
Date:July 14th, 2013 05:57 pm (UTC)
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Sure; how about "I'll continue beating you till you're dead?"
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From:dvv
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:00 pm (UTC)
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What about it?
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From:spamsink
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:03 pm (UTC)
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Can it cause a reasonable fear of death?
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From:dvv
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:24 pm (UTC)
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Of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm? I strongly doubt so. But you can always try to get a restraining order against the trash talker.
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From:spamsink
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:37 pm (UTC)
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Очень неудобно идти в суд за restraining order, когда тебя начинают бить головой об бетон, приговаривая, что так будут бить до смерти.
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From:dvv
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:50 pm (UTC)
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Таки бьют об бетон? Ты как-то опустил этот момент в разговоре про слова.
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From:anspa
Date:July 14th, 2013 06:11 pm (UTC)

1+

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plus one more.
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From:burrru
Date:July 14th, 2013 07:59 pm (UTC)
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+2
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From:yatur
Date:July 15th, 2013 12:44 am (UTC)
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ИМХО, урок тут другой. Если ты имел наглость применить оружие для самообороны против человека привилегированной расы, ты можешь оказаться на пути политически мотивированной государственной машины, а также прессы и обычных уголовников из той самой расы. Чтобы доказать свою правоту государственной машине придется потратить пару сотен тысяч долларов. И еще не факт, что это все - активисты борьбы за права гопников требуют теперь завести федеральное дело. Ну а против уголовников и приема-то особо нет. Разве что уехать в другой штат и поменять имя с Циммерман на Гольдфарб, чтобы не узнали.
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